The last decade was the greater Yellowstone region’s hottest on record, according to a study released Tuesday by a pair of environment-oriented nonprofits.
The study’s findings show that temperatures over the past 10 years were 1.4 degrees above the region’s 20th century average. Summers, in particular, averaged 2.3 degrees higher than summers in the past century.
And if worldwide emissions of heat-trapping gases are not reduced, the warming will continue with disastrous effects, Stephen Saunders, president of the Rocky Mountain Climate Organization, said Tuesday.
Saunders, a former deputy assistant secretary with the U.S. Department of the Interior, announced the climate data Tuesday in Bozeman. The study was produced by Saunders’ climate organization in conjunction with the Greater Yellowstone Coalition.
The 55-page study predicts that if we do nothing to stem greenhouse gases, within 60 to 90 years, summers in Yellowstone National Park could average 9.7 degrees higher than today’s temperatures.
A temperature increase of that magnitude would “totally transform the ecosystem and the experience for people visiting Yellowstone National Park in the summer,” Saunders said.
The study is the first of its kind demonstrating global warming’s impacts on the Yellowstone region, including Yellowstone National Park, Grand Teton National Park and several designated national wildlife areas, its authors said.
Though the authors did not design new climate models for their study, they drew “the best of what’s already known” from a variety of larger studies, Saunders said.
The effects of climate change will be felt particularly by the region’s world-renowned wildlife, said Scott Christensen, GYC’s climate change program director and one of the study’s authors. Grizzly bears, pronghorn, big horn sheep and four native species of cutthroat trout are vulnerable to warming effects, he said.
Another concern is the loss of forests, which cover about 83 percent of the region, Saunders said, noting that the effects of climate change are already visible in the large-scale die-off of white bark pines due to an infestation of pine bark beetles. The beetles thrive in warmer weather and favor older trees that take 60 to 80 years to mature.
Fewer trees means fewer pinecones — a mainstay of grizzly diets, and some climate models in the report also indicate conditions for aspen growth will deteriorate.
GYC hopes the study will provide science to guide the organization’s future decisions regarding its resources and conservation efforts, Christensen said. GYC plans to look into reducing stressors for wildlife, attending to water quality and quantity, protecting wildlife migration corridors and developing academic resources.
Federal agencies can also play a role. The National Park Service has “a unique opportunity to capture the attention of American people” by adopting more sustainable practices and showcasing them to educate the throngs of park visitors each year, Saunders said.
And, the authors noted, the report’s predictions do not take into account any legislation designed to reduce emissions.
“Hopefully, we’ll be able to avoid the worst scenarios,” Christensen said. But it will take collaboration between wildlife services, nonprofits and private landowners, particularly as conditions change.
“We should not let our future unfold in this way,” Saunders said. “The threads are already being pulled from this glorious tapestry of the Yellowstone ecosystem.”
Jodi Hausen can be reached at jhausen@dailychronicle.com or 582-2630.
Potera posted at 8:06 am on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.
allankings ... I think Augie Auer was right. Global warming has turned into a joke with Al Gore the main clown.
MTmoose posted at 7:07 am on Thu, Sep 29, 2011.
@borninmontana The terminology changed because climate change is about more than global warming (there's a lot of local variation, and it also affects precipitations, for example). The basic argument has not changed since Arrhenius a century ago, and the best-guess sensitivity of temperature to doubling CO2 is almost exactly what it was in 1979 National Academies report.
allankings posted at 10:55 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Augie Auer died in June 2007. Its been at least 4 years since he said global warming would be "joke material" in 5. So he has about 9 months to be vindicated.
97% of the top publishing climate scientists adhere to human influenced climate change. Right or wrong, by definition, Auer was most definitely part of the fringe.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html
william turner posted at 10:31 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Propaganda
BornInMontana posted at 10:08 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Generally people who are wrong need to modify their argument..as in global warming becomes climate change...I'm sure there will be more garbage to come. Perhaps if the jokers stopped freaking out about natural cycles, they could figure out an alternative to oil, which is actually more pressing.
MTmoose posted at 8:59 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@peterpeter: No science? Admittedly this is a review and not primary research, but do you reject all 200+ cited articles?
MTmoose posted at 8:52 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera I'll see your Auer and raise you a Hasselman, a Schneider, a Corell, a Prinn, a Toggweiler, a den Elzen, an Alley and a few others - all of whom have far better credentials and publication records, and agree that greenhouse gases affect climate. And those are just ones I've met.
Anyway, it was petition host Oregon Institute of Science & Medicine that I was accusing of belonging to the fringe.
At least "joke material in 5 years" is a testable hypothesis.
sandain posted at 8:19 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera I asked for a reputable source, and you feed me Wikipedia, Blogspot, and Wikia links as expected. Stop spreading your FUD.
Potera posted at 7:37 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@sandain ... here's just a small sample of mad-made global warming skeptics in the scientific community. Enjoy.
List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming#Position:_Accuracy_of_IPCC_climate_projections_is_questionable
Here's some more scientific evidence ...
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/09/list-of-scientists-opposing-mainstream.html
Here's some more skeptical scientists ...
http://earth.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
Peterpeter posted at 7:05 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
This study was produced by activist groups who have a history of this sort of nonsense. No science, no proof, just agenda supporting BS that the Cronicle takes at face value as do many of these readers., Global warming is the new vehicle of the far left and has become a religion of sorts...with Al Gore as the TV preacher getting rich off fear mongering. Recently a Noble winning climatologist point all this out BTW.
sandain posted at 7:04 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera Please proved a link to a credible article from a top tier journal written by one of these "THOUSANDS of scientists" who don't buy into climate change "religion". Until I see actual proof of dissent in the scientific community, I will continue to see everything you write as pure, unadulterated, FUD.
Good day.
Potera posted at 6:40 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose ... Augie Auer, Professor of Atmospheric Science for 22 years at the University of Wyoming, says global warming is a myth and it will be "joke material" in 5 years.
I suppose you're going to tell us that Professor Auer is "fringe" also?
Potera posted at 6:28 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose ... and you and Al Gore are the mainstream?
MTmoose posted at 6:25 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Motonutt ... Yes, it's been warming, cooling, but generally slowly, over thousands of years, and not by magic but for reasons that are measurable (or would be, if we could go back in time). Try googling "orbital forcing" or "ice albedo feedback" for example.
MTmoose posted at 5:45 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera Now you're sourcing your science from politicians and fringe organizations. The "650 scientists" list was cooked up by Sen. Inhofe:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/650Skeptics.HTM
http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=1922
The 31,000 is presumably the Oregon Petition. I once independently checked a bunch names on that list to see if they'd ever published in the atmospheric science literature, and came up empty. The petition was originally sent out under false pretenses and has been abundantly debunked.
If these meet your standards for data, you should be thrilled with the hockey stick.
Motonutt posted at 5:41 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Very simple......the climate has always been changing....warming.....cooling.....warming....cooling.....when it stops I'll begin to worry.
Can any of you earth worshipers tell me what caused "climate change" prior to the industrial revolution.....camp fires? Just because you spent a bunch of money being brain washed at the Temple of Godlessness MSU does not make you intelegent or smart, you just think you are.
Mongolor posted at 5:07 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
The level of ignorance in this thread is unsurprisingly virulent.
Potera posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose ... man-made global warming is a terrible hoax that threatens our future. Vaclav Klaus, former president of the European Union, is right when he states that “environmentalism is the new communism and climate change is a myth.”
In agreement with Klaus, more than 650 international scientists dissent over the man-made global warming claims. They are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7
Additionally, more than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…” http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html
partmtn posted at 3:34 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
I get the fear of shifting funds to combat climate change. What I don't get is the total denial that such a thing is happening.
Be a part of the conversation! When you hold your hands over your ears and refuse to hear the conversation it's going to be a lot more difficult to have any say in how this issue is being addressed.
Youareallcrazy posted at 2:52 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
This writer must be related to Al Gore!!!!!!
I can believe this one guy peddling for money for those morons on Wall Street.
MTmoose posted at 2:35 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera ... and yet you're not actually talking about science. You only reference: stolen emails (that don't reveal anything because the data referenced was already available from other sources and verified by skeptics); the hockey stick (without any discussion of the specific statistical issues, or mention of the fact that reconstructions are a fairly minor part of the body of evidence); and polar bears (which have nothing to do with atmospheric science).
Just saying "fraud, junk, scam" over and over doesn't make it so. Who are those alleged thousands, and why haven't they published any plausible alternative theories or predictions?
spontaneouscreation posted at 2:22 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
not sure which is sadder - folks like potera who expend so much energy denying reality, or anon with the first post about protests in NYC.
or legacy with his misinterpretation of geology, or highlander grasping for any straw which allows him to keep believing what he always has.
the denial in the face of science would be pathetic if it wasn't so scary.
RightwingRancher posted at 2:18 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
If I may weigh in on climate change.
Although we have a lot of data that can be argued from both sides we do have the technology to give us the reflectivity data on the suns radiation that all but provides irrefutable evidence of what is causing global warming if anything? This technology exists in a satellite that was built to measure the amount of radiation the earth was absorbing from the sun. Bush/Cheney however killed the satellite on the launchpad and for what reason? We could have irrefutable proof one way or the other, so why would leaders in our goverment shy away from verifiable data about the most cataclysmic event that could effect all life on our earth for all coming generations?
Article posted in Popular Science, http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-03/lost-satellite
It makes me wonder what special place in heaven god keeps for those that profit monetarily while destroying the earth he created for all others for all time.
Potera posted at 2:02 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose ... I do get my science from scientists, that's why I don't believe your cooked up "science."
There are THOUSANDS of scientists across the globe who also don't by into your global-warming - er, "climate change" religion.
Stop with the fraud and the junk science, please.
MTmoose posted at 1:26 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@ Potera The emails and hockey stick don't add up to much, because they don't concern any core lines of evidence about climate.
Heavy snowfalls are consistent with warming for the simple reason that warm air can carry more moisture. Anyway, weather isn't climate, so you can't conclude that global warming is over because it snows in DC.
Scientists have been discussing possible superluminal effects for decades. Get your science from scientists, not the media (no offense, Jodi).
MTmoose posted at 1:15 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Legacy: You're confusing a situation with only correlation (ice cream) with a situation with correlation, plausible physical mechanism, and successful prediction (climate).
If scientists can't ethically do anything of consequence that ordinary people can't understand, we'd better all throw away our computers.
riverdog posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Change is painful...bu teither way it is going to happen! Afterall Nature bats last! We can however, mitigate the extent and in the doing actually stimulate our languishing dying economy...we need to decentralize our powering of our economy...no more huge top down power plants with energy so inefficiently lost sending it over power lines...1/2 is lost every 500 miles! We need to put Solar on every roof and possible sites possible...establish wind farms where appropriate....get out of our huge cars/trucks and use bicycles, small scooters and electric cars. The ideas and creativity this will unleash will change alll sectors of our lives for the Better! We will be healthier and therefore happier! Our Grandfathers did not wring their hands in indecision and (Republican ) denial....they gbusy building lives out out of wilderness. We can do the same and it might even be fun
Potera posted at 12:31 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose ... you guys are basing everything on junk and fraudulent science. You guys have been exposed as manipulating data to get the result you want. The leaked emails, the bogus hockey stick chart and recent polar bear study , it all proves that those behind this "settled science" are not to be trusted.
What really is odd is when the global warming acolytes blamed our recent severe winters on - get this - global warming!
Your global warming scam is over. People are on to you. And don't go telling me (like Al Gore does) that global warming is settled science! For 70 years scientists have been telling us that nothing is faster than the speed of light and yet it appears that may not be true.
Man-made global warming is a complete scam and fraud.
BozeTof posted at 12:14 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
"Is it accurate or even ethical for scientists to publish sweeping conclusions that then influence dramatic social and economic reform by non-scientists who do not have the resources to interpret the presented data?"
I would have to assume that politicians have some sort of scientific advisor(s)... or maybe I just hope they do. We expect politicians to be experts at everything, wouldn't they seek guidance if they were unfamiliar with an issue? Oh yeah they're politicians...
Legacy posted at 12:06 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose: Rather than arrogance in my own position, I am proposing humility in the face of a scientific, social and political issue that may be have influence(s) beyond the perception of us common people. Certainly you must admit that other respected scientists have conducted broad reviews of the literature and scientific evidence, and indeed suggested contrary results. Notably, half the laureates on the climate change panel at the 2008 annual meeting of Nobel Prize winners in Lindau, Germany disputed the "consensus" on global warming.
It is however fact that man and his machines produce carbon dioxide and methane gases, and that these gases can induce changes to Earth's atmosphere, and that there is evidence that areas on the planet may be warmer today than in the past. But by this logic, it is also true that ice cream induces drowning when the the reality is that more ice cream is sold during the summer months when people swim. Is it accurate or even ethical for scientists to publish sweeping conclusions that then influence dramatic social and economic reform by non-scientists who do not have the resources to interpret the presented data?
MTmoose posted at 11:19 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Legacy: The article was not a review of the broad scientific evidence, it was a survey of warming vs. cooling predictions from the 70s. So, if you're claiming bias by the editorial board, that must imply that the authors performed a faulty search. That should be easy to verify by repeating a search of the relevant literature, revealing a contrary result, yet no one has done so.
Skeptics always want to believe that they're Galileos, or at least Brian Arthurs, oppressed by a wrongheaded majority. But there's another, more common possibility: their ideas are just wrong.
MTmoose posted at 11:14 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Legacy: The link between human greenhouse gas emissions and climate is far better established than the alternatives you cite. There aren't even hypothesized mechanisms for influence on Mars or poles. But consider the physical chain of evidence for climate influence:
- the human origin of accumulating greenhouse gases is not uncertain
- the radiative properties of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is not uncertain
- there is an unambiguous rise in temperatures, confirmed by multiple metrics (land, sea & satellite temps, glaciers, boreholes,...)
- there is no matching natural signal (solar luminance, cosmic rays, volcanic eruptions) that explains observed temps
- the greenhouse gas signal does explain rising temperatures rather nicely
- predictions of warming made in the 70s, made on the heels of three decades of cooling, have proven to be qualitatively correct.
The strength of water vapor and cloud feedbacks, aerosol effects and the effective time scale of ocean heat accumulation are somewhat uncertain, which means that there is considerable uncertainty about the magnitude of future warming, but zero effect is not in the cards.
Legacy posted at 10:45 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@MTmoose: With all due respect to the scientists and authors of the article cited in the journal Climatic Change, one must be cautious of sweeping statements such as "The physical science linking human-induced increases in greenhouse gasses to the warming of the global climate system is well established,......." Such statements immediately imply a bias toward a pre-determined conclusion rather than adherence to a true scientific method. By no means is it well established that humans have induced Earth's global warming, any more than we have also altered the geomagnetic poles or increased the temperature on Mars. Bias such as this is often found in an author's need to publish in a journal (such as Climatic Change) whose editorial board includes those who support the foregone conclusion.
Evidence supporting magma effects on local temperatures is found in many places including the work by Stephen Nelson of Tulane University, but I was only questioning the claim that global warming specifically affects Yellowstone Park and vice versa.
Special interest groups include those with more political motivations than ecological concerns. In this case 'global warming' for many voters is a more easily understood motivation than bio-terrorism or international affairs for example.
sawtooth posted at 10:03 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
The deniers know it's a scam because ... well, they just do. Said so on Fox News. I thought the guy from GYC said it well on TV last night: If we take these forecasts seriously and it turns out they're wrong, we've still gained cleaner water, cleaner air and a healthier landscape. If they're right and we do nothing, this place will go up in smoke faster than we anticipate. I doubt anybody from GYC is clapping over this; their whole mission is to try to keep this landscape just the way it is.
MTmoose posted at 9:56 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Potera The existence of natural cycles does not disprove human influence. The pendulum on a clock swings without any human intervention, but that doesn't mean that you can't change it by sticking your hand in the way.
Statistical issues with one paper out of thousands in the atmospheric science literature is hardly relevant. Independent replication of the modern temperature record by skeptics like surfacestations.org confirmed that existing data was just about right, i.e. the blade of the hockey stick really exists.
MTmoose posted at 9:49 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@Legacy Do you have any evidence for this magma origin of warming, or are you just speculating? And how does it explain the statewide upward trend in temperatures, not to mention the global trend?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w0vp407032j0pl82/
Which special interests are you referring to? The coal, oil and gas industry?
allankings posted at 9:47 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@ potera,
and do you remember that the over-hyped criticism of the "hockey-stick graph" was in regards to the statistical techniques used, but that several subsequent independent studies using a variety of statistical techniques still found similar results?
global warming is not a scam. it is unequivocal. you can argue that man is not the driving force, but the evidence is overwhelmingly stacked against you.
frank posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
One of the funny things about a report like this is that it could well be counterproductive -- the old "sky is falling" effect.
The report claims that temperatures in Yellowstone Park will rise by about 10 degrees in the next six decades or so. At that rate, how much higher will temperatures be in Yellowstone in a century: 20 or 30 degrees? And at that rate of increase, there's obviously little that can be done. So let's just write off Yellowstone. It's a hopeless cause with those kinds of numbers.
I can't remember who did it, but a few years ago some academics did a study of those kinds of environmental "studies" and found that they were counterproductive. Why? Because they give people who read them such a sense that the cause is so hopeless that there is no point in trying to do anything about them.
Here is a link to a BBC story that quotes an environmental scientist who makes the same point:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6115644.stm
MTmoose posted at 9:39 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
@highlander2 The 70s global cooling scare is basically a myth.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
Legacy posted at 9:00 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
The arguments over global warming and its cause(s) rarely includes all of the facts. In this case, the report fails to consider or mention that Yellowstone Park is essentially positioned over a caldera of one of the worlds largest super volcanoes. The earth's crust is less than 2 miles thick in many areas of the park; this is 90% thinner than the average. Further, the crust has been rising a few inches every year as a result of expanding magma. As magma approaches the surface or as the temperature of groundwater increases, the amount of surface heat flow will increase - possibly even as much as 1-2 degrees.
We all want to protect our planet, but we should avoid wasting intellectual and financial resources on speculation by groups with obvious special interests.
highlander2 posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
I was just reading this old ski magazine from the 70's when everyone was freaking out about global cooling...Ha! Strange similarity here. Either way the earth and the universe will do what it wants to us. When we are gone it will keep spinning.
Potera posted at 8:12 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
It's hard to believe there are people still people out there trying to peddle this man-made global warming fraud. People are getting tired of all their junk science. Remember the so-called hockey stick chart?
The earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years -- and it has done so without "man."
Global warming is a total scam. It's perpetuated by the liberals as a way to get their hands on the levers of our economy and government.
Peterpeter posted at 6:39 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
BS, and more BS.
Is everyone aware that there are a few malcontent, white guilt, socialist rich kids pretending they know what is best for the world protesting in NYC? If you really want to help donate to Herman Cain.
ANON2012 posted at 12:31 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.
Where you aware that there is a very serious movement going on in New York city - on Wall Street? Unfortunately our media is censoring this very important event. We're being led down a very scary path if we continue our way of life as is. You know that right?
Here is much more information below:
Where: Liberty Square (How to get there)
Donations: NYCGA Donation Page
Help & Directions: +1 (877) 881-3020
General Inquiries general@occupywallst.org
Press Inquiries press@occupywallst.org
Live Coverage - http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
My Plea to Everyone:
Our obligation to this movement is to donate what we can, at all costs. Allowing our fellow revolutionaries to feed themselves, wash themselves, medicate themselves and feel as comfortable as they can in a concrete jungle under constant scrutiny of police and federal agents. We will and can show our love in very unselfish ways, we must.
There is no reason to feel disconnected from this movement - we are them and they are us. We are the 99% of people who are being beaten, thieved, raped, enslaved and manipulated at every turn. Everything is an illusion - all of it. Every single bit of it from the foods we eat, the water we drink, the homes we live in, the paychecks we earn, the taxes we pay, the air we breathe - all of it is an illusion - a made up fairy tale told to us by the 1% . Are you ready for change?
We are not slaves, we are not beaten, we will not lay down and take this any more! We do have the power, we do have a voice, we are human beings and we are the 99%. They will hear us, but we have to speak loud. This is our chance America!
Here are my tips to help others not feel disconnected or not part of this - YOU ARE NEEDED - NOW! IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
Go now to nyc! Everyone and every cause is accepted! They need numbers more than anything! You can be part of history, written about in books, documentaries made about you and your revolutionary ideals. You, yes YOU. Go now.
Donate to the media team immediately - they have suffered targeted arrests, rainy weather, confiscations and they deserve our support.
http://nycga.cc/donate/
Donate to the general fund to help protesters!! Anything you can help is so important - there are so many of us out there just sitting and waiting to see if this movement moves forward - $5 from each of us is just a coffee or a Big Mac but together it becomes a very impressive amount of money - PLEASE DONATE NOW! If our revolutionary heroes are hungry and dehydrated - how long do you think they will continue to fight for us??? Show your love and support.
http://nycga.cc/donate/
Send a care package or money orders or prepaid gift cards to: The UPS Store Re: Occupy Wall Street 118A Fulton St. #205 New York, NY 10038
There are requests for medical supplies, non-perishable food, water, toiletries, garbage bags, ponchos, blankets, zip lock bags, tupperware, shelves, LED lights and I'm sure much more.
Call local Wall Street businesses and order food or supplies for them direct from local companies - this encourages support from these companies and leeway on any inconveniences that may occur. Be creative!!
Spend just 30 minutes each day spreading this information - do it online, do it on the phone, do it outside your local store, do it at your job, do it everywhere you go. Word of mouth is going to help this movement more than anything else. Spread only factual information.
Do not argue with those that don't agree with this movement. People who choose ignorance will be forced to see through the smoke and mirrors at some point in the very near future. Spending time arguing is a wasted effort, this energy could be better used elsewhere.
Be creative! Hold a bakery sale, use your car as a billboard, post fliers, print stickers, plug radio stations, pay for an ad in your local paper, post free ads in the paper, stop random people, ask for donations.... anything you do will make you an important part of this extremely detrimental movement. You are them, They are us.
Facts about this movement:
This is a 100% peaceful protest, the people have suffered police brutality since day 1 (today is day 11).
Here are some videos for reference:
https://occupywallst.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kevXKRROF6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyvbI6Eq-qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmvZ7z-ZVo
This is a very serious occupation/protest/movement - they are well organized, motivated, inspired and angry. This park has a medical station w/ medical staff, a cafeteria, a library, a media team, a lawyer team and many many people who are ready to fight for you and me. We are obligated to support them. Do so now, please!!
I can't stress how important this is... we've all been waiting with baited breath. The time is here, take this opportunity to do your part!
Important Awesome Heroic Movements of Solidarity:
Micheal Moore - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZLhEOJ8XA
Chris Hedges - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SKw2j3XOY0
Noam Chomsky - https://occupywallst.org/
Micheal Rivero - http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Alex Jones - http://www.infowars.com/
Tom Morello, Immortal Technique - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_tvZ0Ep6GI
Susan Sarandon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x98you80Q0
Democracy Now! - Amy Goodman - footage not yet released - possibly tomorrow.
Roseanne Barr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Zyz8njQb8
United States Postal Service - footage not yet released - happened today 9/27/11
Don't miss out America - donate, join or support - or do all 3 ---- just do what you can - but DO SOMETHING..... Love you all.
Expect us.