Local ice cream maker Wilcoxson’s is under fire for an inflammatory comment it provided in response to a question on its Facebook page Wednesday morning.
An unidentified Facebook user asked the company on Sept. 21 whether its cookies and cream ice cream had gelatin in it. The user was concerned if the gelatin contained pork because the user was a self-identified Muslim.
Company president Matt Schaeffer said in a phone interview that he responded around 7 a.m., “We don’t deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Pakistan.”
The comment incited an immediate reaction from the original questioner, who is identified in a screenshot as being located near Sheridan, Wyo. Other Facebook users inundated the Wilcoxson’s page with their reactions as well, leading Schaeffer to shut down the page. Angry Internet users have resorted to posting their outrage to the forum site Reddit and the company’s Yelp page.
Schaeffer said his response was not racist. He was “overwhelmed with work,” had a break and went on the company’s Facebook page to respond to questions. The user had an icon next to the name that said “Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. Responding quickly, he said he jotted his response down.
“I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. “It wasn’t a racist comment… It was just an honest mistake.”
From there, the comment took on a life of its own, he said. People posted such nasty things on the Wilcoxson’s page that he deleted it and said, “It’s no longer going to be in existence.”
“I apologize if he took it wrong, that’s not what I meant by it. I guess I didn’t read the whole thing,” Schaeffer said. But the reaction to the answer “was bad. There were cuss words. It was just bad, so I just took (the Facebook page) down.”
Five comments calling Wilcoxson’s a racist company and calling for a boycott have been posted to its Yelp page as of 11 a.m. The Reddit thread has hundreds of posts.
Schaeffer said in a phone interview that all flavors of Wilcoxson’s ice cream contain kosher gelatin.
Jason Bacaj may be reached at jasonb@dailychronicle.com or 582-2635.
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Hi! I'm an American Muslim who loves ice cream and hates overblown, oversensitive situations like this. I honestly think that Mr. Schaeffer did not mean anything racist by his comment. I'm way out in Virginia but I'd be very happy to invite him and his family for dinner (he can bring dessert!) and we can discuss this situation like rational human beings. Hope he gets some rest and is not so overwhelmed at work.
So the guy said one sentence and everybody is getting all butt hurt about it? Wow maybe you're the racist!
Well, we all need chill a bit. "We don't ship to Pakistan" is not a slur. I mean, really.
The more politically correct we make the world, the easier it is to perceive a hurt.
Those old enough (or perhaps youngster) to have seen the Dustin Hoffman starring movie, LENNY, may remember a scene in there where the protangonist uses the stage to shout to the audience that if you use a slur (the N-word, in this case) enough then it has no meaning.
It is HOW and the TONE one says something that matters.
Anyway, just for hoots and trivia - there are lots of US towns with Muslim names in North America.
A quick search, and one can find 565 names, 484 in America and 81 in Canada. Villages, towns, cities, mountains, lakes, rivers and etcetera, are etymologically Arabic, designated by locals long before the arrival of Columbus. Many of these names are in fact the same as names of Islamic places; Mecca in Indiana, Medina in Idaho, Medina in New York, Medina and Hazen in North Dakota, Medina in Ohio, Medina in Tennessee, Medina in Texas, Medina and Arva in Ontario, Mahomet in Illinois and Mona in Utah, are just a few noticeable names at the outset.
http://rupeenews.com/usa/california-was-named-after-calif-haronia-caliph-haroon-rashid-al-hambra-was-also-from-muslim-spainmore-than-500-american-town-have-muslim-origins/
http://rupeenews.com/2008/04/11/muslims-in-america-before-columbus-after-spanish-inquisition/
Was the question about the pork gelatin made by someone who is allergic to pork and had a true rason for inquiring, or a Muslim trying to stir up a discrimination claim, or a liberal trying to simply destroy a business out of envy?
I wonder if the commenter expressed his or her concern for American's brutally murdered by Muslims, here in the U.S. or abroad?
No comment about the bacon sundae sold at Burger King?
I hope there's just a little bit of pork gelatin in every gallon of Wilcoxon's ice cream. Just enough... It's made in the USA for American's who really enjoy pork in all forms.
I'll be buying a half gallon of Wilcoxson's to show my support.
To reallocalfarmer: You sure are worried about what other people eat. Reminds me of a neighbor across the street who rode his bike to work every day with a helmet and lights or walked in the winter, played tennis on his backyard court, had the wherewithal to eat all organic foods and extolled their virtues to anyone who would listen. Then one night while alone, eating a dinner of organic chicken, he choked on a chicken bone and died. He was found the next morning by the maid.
Would have been better to have some less than perfect eaters over as dinner guests than to eat his righteous organic chicken by himself, but most of us were tired of the sermons. Poor guy was a nice neighbor. My mom said he died with his seatbelt on.
Chew carefully.
Boy, who knew Mayor Bloomberg read the Chronicle and cared so much whether we ate ice cream here or not.
Hey spongy and indisortathinker
deaths in the US:
Diseases of the Heart-28.5%
Malignant Tumors-22.8%
accidents-4.4% (2.1 from vehicles)
I think we all want to live healthy and long, and good food is the key.
If you don't care for the slow kids, they will eat the paste. What do you eat?
In case you haven't figured it out, all our health care costs are payed by all(socialism) and I think we should reduce costs associated with bad consumer decisions (feeding yourself garbage).
122 comments and mine is the only one that notes the health dangers of sugar/cream gut bomb, and the squeaking vessels of the obese (35.7% of Americans)
Someone (remember businesses are people too) that is making millions of dollars selling heart disease...I hope their kids went to school for cardiology or to be funeral directors so they can profit on the back-end of the deal too..
Really, an anti boycott Paddler? Is that a form of Darwinism?
BTW I have been boycotting for almost a decade, when I saw the light. Eat Healthy, Be Healthy!
BTW, if any posts from a couple of nights ago offended anyone I sincerely apologize. I was out of town and couple of "friends" staying at my house decided to have a bit of fun. I am outspoken at times myself but I don't go out of my way to insult anyone. Steps have been taken so it won't happen again.
So much ado about nothing.....
Anyone can make a mistake. However, the poster inquired only about whether the ice cream contained pork gelatin or not. He didn't ask about delivery at all. So why did the owner respond only with the info that they didn't deliver to Pakistan?
I would have a bit more sympathy if the owner answered the question, and then maybe added the bit about delivery. But he didn't even do that. It seems more than a mistake at that point, more like deliberate rudeness.
And with that, you have my respect for having great observation skills. And I agree.
Well, now the score is about 108 to 4 on comments on this vs a man that broke his babies legs. It is truely sad that people care so much more about a simple facebook comment that might be a little politically incorrect at best than a real problem. There have been several instances over the last couple months in the news about unprepared parents harming their babies. This is a real social problem that needs help from anyone that can help. I'm sure that none of these parents wanted to harm their little baby, but they didn't have the support and education that they should have. I don't know what the solution is, but caring more about ice cream isn't it.
I'm pretty sure nobody cares about the ice cream. However, I'm also pretty sure that in the scope of world events, a few folks getting whipped into a frenzy over a religious insult is, in fact, more pertinent. Nobody likes hearing that a baby has a slimeball as a father, but there isn't much dialog in that. He needs to go to prison, 'nuff said. There IS dialog in what some folks would view as an overly sensitive view of their chosen religion. My advice, post on the slimeball-daddy's article all day until you've had your fill. I posted there, my opinion has been voiced, and I "feel" better for it.
If it's made in amerika, it has pork in it.
Kosher pork that is...
As for all the negative comments about racism from the commentators, perhaps they need to look in a mirror.
Potera
You need to look up the musical "The Book of Mormon" and ask yourself how it's possible that Obummer hasn't stepped in and demanded it be shut down. It might be because when Hillary went she said she enjoyed it. If you enjoy hypocrisy as much as I do you really need to check this out.
The person asked an honest question and the leader of the company gave a smarmy, sarcastic answer instead of just answering honestly. Then, he acts like a victim when he's called out on it. What a joke. And the comments on here, what a bunch of racist fools. No wonder nobody lives there. What a bunch of tools.
And you're dismissing an entire group of people as racists (Montanans) in the same kind of smarmy way you accuse the man in the article of dismissing the OP on Facebook. This is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it. You're just another race-obsessed person running around trying to prove to everyone how sensitive you are, when in reality you perpetuate the same condescending generalizations as those you complain about. Grow up, dude, the world is more complicated than your simple model seems to allow for.
well said, stockli.
True that.
You need some sleep troll, you keep yawning. Gets boring in Montana no doubt.
Wow Potera, just another mouth breather trying to play the race card when they have nothing else. No wonder that one is #1 in the liberal handbook.
It's not boring if you like to ski, snowboard, fish, hunt, go camping, boating, hiking, kayaking, snowmobiling, visit Yellowstone, Glacier Park, go tubing down the Madison River, pan for gold, go ice fishing, fly fishing, sledding, and enjoy the most awesome and beautiful place in the world!
But your comments are boring. Sorry. That's why I yawn.
I guess, for your sake, its good you don't live here.
I'm guessing the person who was offended by this comment wasn't a woman and wasn't blonde.
Let me know when the boycot starts so I can buy more of this great product to copensate. And get a job.
*boycott and *compensate
There, fixed that for you
Although this may have been a misunderstanding, it seems like Mr. Schaeffer made a hasty assumption; he also didn't answer the consumer's question regarding ingredients. A person at his tier level within the company should possess the basic customer service skills needed to answer a simple question and one with such a job title should ensure the consumer's needs and questions are well understood before a response is made. Misunderstanding or not, there was a definite lack of tack regarding Mr. Schaffer's response.
Yep, I agree. Doesn't matter where the person lived, he is a representative of the company and should answer questions. Someone needs to teach Wilcoxsons what social media is.
Is that all you have? You can't make any sort of productive comment, so you come back with *yawn? You sir, ARE the low hanging fruit. Relish your position.
Good thing Wilcoxsons does not have a factory anywhere in the mid-east or some closed minded religious bigots would burn it and murder the employees.
Next time I go to town&Country I'll buy two squares and gobble it till my jeans button pops!
OTOH
If all the infidels would convert the upcoming bacon shortage would be averted.
Go mohammie GO!~
mmmm....pork
Clarification for 10:41 post: Last sentence would be more accurate if it ended with, "and we do this everyday while being nonexistent on any social media."
It sure is easy to misquote yourself.
This could all be solved if Obama would just come out and apologize on behalf of Wilcoxson's.
Seeing that the Reverend Wright is a compassionate Christian, if both of them did it together it might carry more weight.
Thank you for the corrections. I hope people notice it at the bottom. These facts make a big difference.
All this is proof that everyone who thinks you need all this electronic 24/7 social media to be alive in the business world today is just making an excuse for their sore thumbs. You don't need it, it wastes company time, human resources and family time. It magnifies little things into unjustifiably big things. (such as, you fester more on my ability to spell with my XXL thumbs than weather I deliver my product in a way that exceedes your expectations).
It makes your brain lazy with a 100 word vocabulary and amplifies an unrealistic expectation for instant gratification by way of instant response. (ie. did you read the label first?)
We've been highly successful without all this for 30 years and we thank you daily for your patronage and you would never know who we are.
boycotting Wilcoxons? That is just stupid. If I boycotted every business in town who had an employe who made an off the cuff remark about christianity or other belief of mine, then I'd have nowhere to go. Lighten up.
Umm, this was the President of the company, not some employee. The little power that you have in this world is where you spend you money. There is nothing "stupid" about this. Sadly this has shown me how many narrow minded people in this state will overlook ignorance.
doesn't matter if it is an employee or management, my point still applies. There are a lot of hateful opinions, and they exist in ALL of our community businesses one way or the other. Most of the time, people keep their traps shut and we go about our conducting business with a smile.
Butter Brickle....mmmmmmm. I'd also be interested in Bacon ice cream, but I'm not Muslim so it's OK.
I make my own ice cream, but I do love their butter brickle.
the question for the company should have read
does this contain massive amounts of refined sugar and conventional (GMO fed cow) milk, and is it safe to assume that its consumption will result in a lowered life expectancy?
For goodness sake, please eat healthy!
quote from a great musical, Avenue Q : "everyone's a little bit racist"
^.^
While I can not say for certain that I would have reacted in the way that I am saying here, given what was said initially, this does sound like it is a case of a simple mistake, with a simple over-reaction. The potential customer should have simply clarified that he lived in Sheridan, and asked for a retail store in Montana where he could get the product, if the issue of the gelatin was resolved.
Once again, I admit that I might have reacted a bit stronger, but after only reading the article posted here, I would not have used vulgar language and such.
I am hoping that this calms down quickly, and I am assuming that no boycotting and such will happen to the company.
John Brengman
Laramie, WY
All of you who crave your ice cream on these posts are a bunch of fatties. Oh, wait, is that racist? Or bigoted? My bad, I swear I saw something in all of your screennames that said 'obese' - so I just jotted that down. Just an honest mistake.
How sad for this local company to blow off a potential customer. They were asking a legitimate question about the product and it would have made sense for Wilcoxson to answer it. While there may not be a lot of people in Montana that have these dietary concerns, there are probably many passing through Yellowstone National Park which is one of Wilcoxson's biggest customers. Also, when I'm back in the park, I will also be hesitant to purchase this product. Wilcoxson's should make this right and apologize. There is no potential business growth in bigotry.
Why in the world does this BS article get 60 plus comments and the story about the guy that broke is baby's leg get 2!!! That is some messed up sense of what is really important in this world.
Firstly it was a joke...secondly this happens to be the United States of America where Sharia Law is non-binding and freedom of speech still is protected by our Constitution...to be upset and or angry over this is another example of intolerance practiced in Islam while they blame the rest of the world for being intolerant!
Sharia Law.....everybody drink!
Seriously, this has NOTHING to do with Sharia Law and everything to do with a rude comment.
Would you belittle the laws of a religion if that religion was Judaism? They can't eat pork either.
What if the guy's name had been Isaiah Goldsmith? And the reply was "We don't deliver to 'Israel', or 'Occupied Palestine'"
Would that have been a joke then?
Some of you folks need to get out and get a job, you have way too much time on your hands.
Just keep that Double Chocolate Almond ice cream coming and I'll be happy. Thankyou.
I bet you posted this at work
Have I forgotten something? Isn't this the United States? Do we still have a Constitution?
Yeah, I thought so. So drop it already. The man said what he said. He is guaranteed the right to say it. Grow up and do something productive with your lives!!! You don't have to buy his product, but he has the right to produce it and sell it wherever he damn well wants too or to whomever he doesn't want to. Gawd, what a bunch of whiners!!!
Another one who clings to the Constitution without actually understanding the document. The Constitution protection of free speech ONLY applies to governmental interference, NOT criticism of the populace.
The issue is that he was rude. End of story. Jews and Muslims can't eat pork. The question was a good one and he should have provided an actual answer as the public representative via Facebook of his brand. The person who submitted the question was praising his product and was simply concerned about the content of the gelatin. It was a bad decision vis a vis a business.
Well, it looks like you've actually made it up to a 50% accurate post. Congrats.
The comment was, in fact, rude. If, as the picture posted below is of the actual comment string and not edited to "highlight" the commentary, then not only was it rude, but from WAY out in left field.
Your interpretation of the Constitution however seems a bit lacking. The protection of free speech does in fact protect criticism of the populace. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy are almost always permitted. There are exceptions to these general protections, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. This means that Mr. Shaeffer's ignorant comment is protected by the constitution, as is the wingnut that made a movie about Muhammed, and the wingnuts that have a museum dedicated to a 6000-year-old earth. Even your commentary is protected by law.
*yawn"
So let me get this right, the First Amendment to the Constitution only applies to the federal government?
Yeah, and everyone else has the freedom to report this story, boycott that company, and call out the owner over what was clearly a rude and racist argument.
Typical lib's...
If the guys Facebook page indicated he may be from PAKISTAN, then the response was appropriate.
You lib's are bent on welcoming a very hateful and dangerous group of religious people into this country. In fifty years, the Mexicans (yeah, Mexicans...) will be competing with Muslims for control of the United States of America. Black and caucasian Americans will be the minority.
GOOGLE: Dearborn Michigan Muslim
Typical know-nothing loser conservative. His FB page did not indicate he was from Pakistan.
What's wrong with Mexicans? They seem to be harder working than a lot of whites I've run across. And Muslims aren't a race, they're a religion. And the only religion on the rise in America is Atheism, which is fine. Sooner that we concentrate on the one life we know we have as opposed to a supposed afterlife made up by a group of farmers that didn't know what *rain* was, the better.
Yep, whites will be the minority. Blacks have always just made up 10% of the community, so not sure what you're talking about there. Not sure why that'd be a bad thing, considering how bad a job white males seem to be at running things if the GOP and the House is any indication, not to mention the last white president.
Better get used to it, buddy, life's going to be very tough for you in the future.
*yawn*
Should read: *insert low IQ comment here*
@CS.... and 50 years from now, probably less, "whitey" will be nothing but a bad memory.... can't wait.
Not libs just morons.
I'm a old hippy lib and I beleive in sharing. Like sharing most of our tomahawks...at noon on friday.
I was just thinking, what if this guy made some disparaging remark about Christians like he did about Muslims, the Christians would demand that they cut off his hands or something. But, since he as insulting Muslims and that is ok to some, its not about religion its about racism. I like Wilcoxins when I can afford it, but usually just buy the generic because its less fattening anyway.
OMG!
You, Mr. Wonkerbean, plus brandonshannon, magicdragon, FlipSide, et al are THE MOST anti-Christian commentators around!
Your inflammatory anti-Christian bigotry is written throughout these Chronicle comment pages throughout the year!
I can't believe you're even making a comment on this because you are one of the most vile anti-Christian commentators on this website.
Isn't it true you write inflammatory anti-Christian comments?
Why is it okay for Christians to insult every other religion, and tell people of different sexuality than their 2000 year old book would like that they should burn in hell for the crime of loving someone, but the instant anyone rightfully calls out the hypocrites, "HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED!"
Sorry, the world's changing, Christians aren't any more right or important than any other religion. It's ok to be Anti-Christian, especially considering how many Christians are Anti-Muslim.
*yawn*
I called you out because of your frequent anti-Christian bigotry expressed on this website. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
Hitler was not a Christian. He rejected Christianity.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
For Potera -
Your pro-Christianity drivel is as tiring as all of the pro-everything else drivel.
You're a Christian. Great. We get it. It may come as a surprise to you, but your choice of religion (religion IS a choice!) has zero bearing on anybody other than yourself. To assume otherwise is nothing short of pure arrogance.
BluSTi .... did you even read what I posted?
It wasn't "pro-Christianity drivel" it was proof that Hitler wasn't a Christian and was in response to a post that said Hitler was a Christian - which isn't true.
Stop your hate.
Give me a break Potera, I can read between your lines. You're not so clever as to post your agenda without leaving a trail. You certainly can't post your disagreement with an "anti-christian" poster without showing your hand.
Seriously though, if you're going to try to be clever about your position, try harder.
I agree with TrueMontanan: RELAX. People in this town get all worked up over the slightest step over the line of "political correctness". Chill out, and enjoy the best ice cream out there. I never buy anything but Wilcoxsin's and plan to continue with that policy.
I love the people that are doing their research to find further reason to be upset. RELAX. It's not cool. Condemn the guy for being an ignorant idiot. But also understand people say dumb things and get their hands slapped for it. RELAX. I'm over it and going down to get myself some Wilcoxson's right now. RELAX. Get over yourselves and move on. He said he was sorry and it was unintentional. I wish we held parents to this high of a standard. Can you imagine what a world we'd live in then?
"Kosher" or not, still the best ice cream ever.
Lighten people----Chill out---Eat some ice cream
Lighten up.
In an earlier comment on their Facebook page, someone actually asked about shipping. They wanted the ice cream in Texas. Their response then was "We do ship, call Brenda at 406-259-6572. She can set you up....Enjoy!!!" So even if he really did think he was asking about shipping, for some reason even though it doesn't say "shipping" or "pakistan" anywhere, he was lying by saying they don't ship out of Montana as well.
Interesting. He obviously just wasn't into helping anyone who was Muslim, then.
Here is the original conversation http://i.imgur.com/1lEim.png
Thanks for posting. I'm struggling with this one. The comment from Wilcoxson's seems a little condescending "...certainly not Pakistan." I'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, that he simply glanced at his computer, saw the question and something referencing Pakistan and responded in a rush, but....
He probably should have just answered the question and not been a smartazz.
I am happy to hear that it is Kosher gelatin and that it's not made from pork. I'm not Muslim, but the idea just creeps me out.
That's the picture attached to the article already. Do you have one with the 88 comments it ended up with? There was one on our Reddit post but it got taken down. The responses were not over the top.
I can't believe people are blaming him or saying he's being too sensitive. For the record, he was upset but most of the news spreading was done by his friends because we were more upset than he was.
Ahh, now I see. So the individual in question was a bit insulted, but had the good sense to "let it slide," but the rest of his "friends" where the ones whipped into a frenzy over such an egregious assault on their religion?
I sense a common theme...
LOL, I don't think reporting something to the news is a "religious frenzy".
Walking into a grocery store and shooting a congress woman and a bunch of bystanders? That's a religious frenzy.
Walking into a Sikh gurudwara and shooting a bunch of worshippers because you think they're Muslim? That's a religious frenzy.
Walking into a children's camp and shooting a bunch of innocent kids because you think they're brainwashed into supporting Muslims, after you set off a bomb downtown? That's a religious frenzy.
Apparently, I can't write a comment because of profanity, however, there is NO profanity in the comment I would have written.
But, Yasmin, here's my point, you could take the high road, and leave an inconsequential comment made by an ignorant person alone, or you could be insulted, have your friends get insulted, and turn it into a bigger monster of a problem than it ever should have been.
High road or low road, up to you and yours...
Something just doesn't add up. If the dude is asking about ingredients, why answer with a statement regarding shipping?
Does NOBODY else see that it just doesn't make sense?
I'm not condoning his comment, surely it IS rude, but it's so bizarre, it doesn't fit the context of the question. Not even by a little bit.
My $.02, I think the screen shot has been doctored.
I've wondered what the ingredients are too (for allergy reasons). Especially when buying their product from street vendors and restaurants, those employees never seem to know either.
This is not true. I have a screen shot of the conversation. I have sent it to the news outlets. We are friends with him and the ones who posted it on Reddit.
NO WHERE ON THE POST DOES IT SAY PAKISTAN. IT SAID SHERIDAN, WYOMING. NO WHERE ON THE POST DOES THE COMPANY ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE INGREDIANTS. NO WHERE ON THE POST DID THE CUSTOMER EVER ASK ABOUT SHIPPING.
Classic case of corporate trying to cover his butt. If there was a way for me to post the screen shot on here I would, but I've emailed it to the author.
Inflammatory comments?
Good grief, the Bozeman Daily Chronicle should do a story about their web site's comment pages!
The amount of inflammatory anti-Christian comments the Bozeman Chronicle allows on its website is disturbing.
This Wilcoxen's Ice Cream commentis nothing in comparison to anti-Christian bigotry spewed forth by liberals such as magicdragon, brandonshannon, rattus, FlipSide, Shenanigans, et al. on the Chronicle's website.
Will we see the Bozeman Chronicle doing a story on the anti-Christian bigotry expressed by the liberal commentators on its website?
Aww it must be difficult being a Christian in a Christian majority country, where your religious ideals (no gay marriage, no abortion, no drinking alcohol on Sunday) are still being pushed down the throats of everyone else.
It is interesting how most liberals hate Christianity and how that expression of antiChristian hate speech is okay with liberals.
I'm fairly conservative and I hate ANYBODY who pushes their own views down other people's throats. Christian, Muslim, Islamic, Hindu, or Athiest.
What does them being liberals have anything to do with it? Most liberals are Christians just like most Conservatives are Christians.
Judging by the fact that most conservatives don't practice what they preach, I'd stop talking. Liberals seem to be far more Christian in their actions than Conservatives in their words.
Amen and thank you for trying to get the word out that there are many, many Christian Liberals.
Just watching the Democrat convention the other week and the vitriol expressed by Democrats over the inclusion of God in the party platform leads me to believe that at least half of the liberals are godless liberals.
All these people must be from the great racist state of Montana.
Racism is about a person's race, not religion. FYI
Christianity is attacked frequently by liberals on this website but it isn't racism, it's bigotry.
And this post was about the assumed race of the poster, e.g. that he is of South Asian descent. Don't you think you'd be offended if someone assumed that you were Mexican because you're Christian?
No, not at all.
You need to learn the difference between a person's race and their religion. If you hate someone because of their religion it is bigotry, not racism.
First off "Kosher gelatin"? He's Muslim not Jewish. That's racist. Second, he never answered if it was pork gelatin which is what the guy asked anyway. Claim it's not racist all you want. If it was an African American and the comment was made that they don't deliver to Compton, it would have been the same response. Not only that but it SAID right on the post where he was posting from. This is nothing but the company trying to cover its behind.
I had to make an account just to respond to this. Many Muslims in America will purchase Kosher products because they are similar in that, for this case, neither eat pork. So actually they DID answer his question by saying they use Kosher gelatin. So no, that's not racist. What he said originally? That was racist. See the difference?
Agreed.
Neither followers of Judaism nor Islam eat any products containing pork. So....Kosher is a sign that it's safe for BOTH to eat.
Actually I'm Muslim and I specifically seek out products made with Kosher gelatin, just because I know they don't have any pork in the gelatin.
Little Debbie is a good example of a company that uses Kosher gelatin, and they also have SMORES and their own version of Rice Krispy Treats which are awesome for a Muslim who generally can't eat these due to pork gelatin being used.
I mean, I don't think most Americans (except Jews, Muslims and Vegetarians/Vegans) realize how pervasive gelatin is. I've found it in cereal, Pop-tarts, and even DONUTS.
This is absolutely not a case of religion being taken to the extreme. The person simply asked for information so that they could eat Wilcoxson’s icecream without violating their faith.
Instead of responding with information, Schaeffer responded rudely and (intentionally or unintentionally) with a hint of racism. Many people, muslims and not, were offended by his comment. Even he is apologizing. If this was a case of "muslims needing to get over themselves," he wouldn't need to apologize.
Amen.
Islam is not a race. Just like Catholic is not a race. Calm down!
No but people from Pakistan would be considered a race. Did ya think about that?
No, Yasmin, they wouldn't be considered a race, because that's a nationality.
The Muslim FB poster needs some thicker skin. How in the world can you get through life being so easily offended? The results of this 'victim' mentality are currently being seen across the Middle East. The ease at which so many people are willing to claim 'racism' is disgusting.
Well if you really want to get into it, the Middle East was victimized repeatedly by the U.S. Government, including that time we removed the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran and replaced him with a dictator. Oh and we've supported dictators in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Syria. That doesn't even get into the "constitutional monarchies" we've continued to support despite lack of popular support, like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait....
No, they hate us for our freedom and they're just victims. We had nothing to do with it.
The ME wasn't exactly paradise in the centuries before the US started farting around there. The US had an isolationist policy up until WW1, so up until 1917, the region essentially had its own, typically brutal, wars. While we're at it, don't confuse the US with the Crusades, those were the Romans and the Catholic Church (see, the US hadn't even been discovered yet, except for the folks that were already here). So while you'd LOOOVE to blame the US for all of your woes (its ok, everybody else on the planet does it too), learn a little about some history and know that the whole ME region has been a region of war for centuries upon centuries.
Its sad to see a company like Wilcoxson's post such an off the cuff remark. If you read the question the individual praises the company for making great ice cream. Sure seemed like it was the perfect opportunity for Schaeffer to thank the individual for supporting their company and then answer the question. Being "overwhelmed with work" is no excuse to post these types of remarks.
Thank god for someone else posting sense in the comments and not just spewing racism about how "AMERICA is flooded with religious extremism because of Muslims".
Amen.
You know what's NOT the best about their ice cream? Those really poorly made boxes they come in. Other than that, it's great!
I agree these muslims need to get over themselves!
And if a Jew had asked this question and received an anti-Semitic remark? It would be an attack against Israel, Zionism, and therefore also Christianity.
I'm going to go buy some Wilcoxson's ice cream ASAP!
This is news? It seems the Comical has crossed the bridge o the land of gossip! And for the person who was offended- get over it! This is another case of religion being taken to the extreme. We are losing OUR culture and OUR sovereignty to BS like this.
Yeah that's racist. There are Americans that are Muslim too ya know.
Islam is not a race is not a race. DA. Ergo, not racist.
Pakistanis, however, belong to a race. And if someone assumes that, because of a religious affiliation, they belong to a race then that indeed makes it a racist remark.
It's especially racist to Pakistani Christians because it implies they don't exist, that all Muslims are Pakistanis and therefore all Pakistanis are Muslims.
No worries! I get how it happened...I've been there; cranky and tired. I will never give up my Wilcoxson's ice cream! It is the best of the best.
Me neither. Man alive, some people get so unbelievably touchy over such inane nonsense.
Here's some advice: GET OVER IT! RELAX! You'll live longer...
Maybe Schaeffer should have just answered his question instead of blowing him off with a snide comment. Next time you ask someone a legitimate question, I hope they blow you off and call you an obese and uneducated American so you'll see how it feels.
You mean like I'm going to blow off your comment because you're obtuse?
Hold on, maybe my friends will get all fired up and march in the streets and throw rocks.
Nah, we won't, because we're more civilized than that.
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